The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> Here are some quotes for you to deal with....

Here are some quotes for you to deal with....
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Monday, May 20 2013, 17:45:47 (UTC)
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...we are happy to address any quotes on this topic you can find AND post here. This is very grown-up of you. Here are a couple more for you to deal with...consult your experts and get back to us....


...you had stated that Layrd called us assyrians...I replied that he did not, that his book's title use Chaldeans.....read below...

“Coakley notes a dispute that Rassam had with Arthur J. Maclean of the Anglican mission in Qochanis in 1889 over the names ‘Syrians’ and ‘Assyrians’ when Maclean argued against the term ‘Assyrians’…’Why should we invent a name when we have such a very convenient one, used for centuries, at our hand’? It was understandable, he agreed, that someone living so close to the ruins of Nineveh, ‘should have a fit of enthusiasm of Old Assyria’, but ‘is it common sense to cast aside the name used by the people themselves [Suraye] and to invent another for them of very doubtful applicability’? Rassam’s position was that ‘Syrian’ was wrong; the correct form was ‘Assyrian,’ but preferred ‘Chaldean’. Layard always referred to the Nestorians as ‘Chaldeans’ or as ‘Nestorian Chaldeans’ in order to distinguish them from those united with Rome.” pp 17-18

..you'll notice in the quote below that the authors of Haggarism, Crone and Cook write to Joseph and he to them....I doubt they bother with Aprim, or Andreas...or Donabed....


“…See also Hagarism , p. 190, n. 71, where, in accordance with their methodology, authors Crone and Cook accept Qardaghs’s descendance from Assyrian kings as a believed fact by his contemporaries, making Hagarism a favorite source book of the modern Assyrian writers. In a letter to the author, dated June 11, 1997, Patricia Crone wrote that she and Cook ‘do not argue that the Nestorians of pre-Islamic Iraq saw themselves as Assyrians or that this is what they called themselves. They called themselves Suryane (Syrians, mine), which had no greater connotation of Assyrian in their usage than it did in anyone else's…We take it for granted that they got the modern Assyrian label from the West and proceeded to reinvent themselves…Of course the Nestorians were Arameans (Syrian/Suryane, mine).” p 27

...here are recognized experts in THIS field "taking it for granted" that Nestorians reinvented themselves as assyrians...bring us Parpola again, on THIS subject....even though he is an amateur, we'd like to read what he says about this.



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