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Re: Apology to Tiglath
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Saturday, September 25 2010, 12:10:54 (UTC)
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>I see genocide as a scale in which the forced removal of children from their parents which is what Australia practised 40 years ago would be the lowest and less extreme form of genocide right up to the extreme state sponsored mass production line murder of the Jews that came to be labeled the Holocaust.

...agreed
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>Now putting aside history and the "who started it?" arguement, andwhat you consider a watered down definition, do you consider what the Turks did during WW1 genocide as defined by the UN?

...not at all....you have to distinguish between trying to wipe out a people because you´ve hated them and their religion for centuries...and the attempt, by a legally constituted government, to put down an insurrection, by a people whom you´ve sheltered for centuries and never made a move against, not them and not their religion.

..had the Jews indeed engaged in an insurrection against the German state there would have been no time or reason to build special railway lines or set up special police and officials to seek out Jews, or check their bloodlines etc. It would have been an actual insurrection and the Germans would simply have rounded up, killed and murdered the rebels and anyone affiliated with them...but that wasn´t the case in Germany..for one thing there was no war against Germany when Hitler wrote his book outlining just what he would do to Jews...there was no pressing need to save the country from external attack...instead Jews were rounded up just for being Jews...they weren´t killed outright, as rebels would have been, but first sent to work camps where they toiled for the State...only when they were of no use were they sent to the ovens...and during the last months of the war. This, THIS is genocide...it is not putting down a rebellion....which is what the Turks were faced with.

Terrible things happened, as they do in any war...there was no war against or in Germany when their genocide was put into play. But terrible things don´t constitute genocide....in an insurrection or armed rebellion people get killed and they do awful things...you are all trying desperately to show that the Turks were completely unjustified in putting down an insurrection, even to the point of painting the rebels as nice guys, or seeking freedom, or being blown about by WINDS...anything to make them out NOT to be rebels, because you all know what rebels deserve...you all know how governments treat rebels....so you try to make a genocide out of it...you try to equate it with what the Nazis did...anything and everything you can fashion or twist or bend to make the Turks into some rare form of beast....and the effort is taking its toll on your reason and finer quailities....most likelty because hatred, pure hatred, is at the bottom of it and not any desire to be "precise" or see "justice done"...not when so much ink is spent on what happened 90 years ago, "we just want to set the record straight" while those SAME people are gleefully committing what is more acurately genocide daily.



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