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Re: God is NATURAL????
Posted by Arrow (Guest) - Wednesday, March 7 2012, 18:24:49 (UTC)
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no prime mover is being invoked or is necessary

Yes, a prime mover would be necessary, but that is not the case. The issue here is the nature of the mover. I presume you are willing to accept quantum fluctuations as a prime mover.

Darwin never said he had an answer for where life came from

I was trying to say that anything that goes on within the universe must have a material explanation. Darwin was just an example.

The notion that an event within the universe may have a supernatural explanation would simply be undermining the idea of a supernatural creator. God would then be like a programmer who writes codes for a software and then goes back again and again to add and remove codes, update the software, make sure it's still working. God, being perfect, does not need to create a universe that requires his constant interference. It is a universe that functions all on its own.

I remind you of the pigs on Mars?

Oh no... not again! I already explained why pigs on mars has nothing to do with the discussion.

Because you canīt prove they DONīT exist, doesnīt mean they MIGHT

No. As Hawking (who is an atheist) said, if the universe had a beginning, then God might exist. The idea that the universe has existed since eternity is put to doubt by the fact that it is expanding. Since it's likely that the universe had a beginning, God becomes a possibility.

a salutation to me from him, through you, is not EVIDENCE

It is. I did see him yesterday, and he did send you his regards. He also said he wants to drop you a visit. Are you free next week?

knowledge is quantifiable, not like faith and miracles...knowledge can be tested objectively

If there is a God, then what would the proof look like? You want to test God objectively? You want a group of scientists to examine God, quantify him, perform experiments on him, and then declare officially that there is a God? Is that what you mean by proof?

Please call an ambulance.

do you think that EVERY word you utter is worthy of a response?

Of course.

yet I do, because it would be rude

It is not in your nature to be rude.

Issac Newton,the greatest scientist of his age...a man famous all over Europe when such things were hard to achieve, believed in...

Yes but Arno Penzias was comparing scientific observation with what is written in the bible. It is not a matter of belief. There is also MIT physicist Dr. Gerard Shroeder who wrote a book concerning this subject.

http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Big-Bang-Discovery-Harmony/dp/0553354132



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