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Re: Longrigg...part two
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Wednesday, April 3 2013, 1:09:37 (UTC)
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nestrieno wrote:
>ok pancho i have to recognise that your opinion is right specialy when you said it was a mistake to trust the british. about the atrocities and murders ocuring between tucks kurdish and assyrians, it is an evidence and proving that turcs and kurdish had commited atocities and murders against assyrians and if i can find proofs that thoses atrocities had been made on the name of religion or ethnics reasons, i shall share with you.


..I would appreciate that...we have asked many people, over the years, who make these claims right and left to give us actual historical evidence and we have not heard back from one of them, even though they continue making these charges against Islam. People fight and kill each other, this is murder not "martyrdom" or persecution, and everyone does it. But the specific claims that Muslims killed us JUST for what we are i.e. Christians or assyrians, rather than for what we DID, or that they forcibly converted us on pain of death, have not been proven so far......we look forward to any evidence you may find.

...one thing to keep in mind as you search is that there is ample evidence that Christians did these things...that Christians killed people just for what they were, such as for being Jewish...or converted people on pain of death....for this there is plenty of easily obtainable historical evidence.


secondly i know too that assyrians had commited same atrocities and murders against turks and kurdish that is an evidence too.

...don't forget they killed a second Marshimun.

>the point i cannot understand is why trying to preserve and promote assyrian culture language and history can hurt????

...the only way it hurts is that it is not true. What we are used to calling "Assyrian" is merely Christian/Nestorian or Jacobite or Catholic....we have no way of knowing just what is "Assyrian"....so we call Christmas an "Assyrian" event...or Easter. These are Christian, not "Assyrian"....the actual Assyrians knew nothing of Jesus and would not have been impressed if they had. The language we speak is not Akkadian, which was the language of the Assyrians, but Aramaic, which although spoken eventually by the Assyrians was not an Assyrian language..nothing about us is "Assyrian" except our claim...we are Christians of the MidEast who started calling ourselves Assyrians....before the Euros dug up our artifacts in the 19th century we knew nothing of Assyrians except what everyone else knew from the Hebrew bible....so, the harm is that we are dressing ourselves in borrowed clothing, pretending to be something we are not..and worst of all, make claims to land we say is ours....which is seditiopn and in time of war, treason...and we have paid heavily for this error....today there are fewer Christians in Iraq than ever before...and that is OUR doing...not the fault of Islam for Islam defended us and protected us and allowed us to worship Jesus in any hundred ways we chose...the only people who truly have persecuted Christians is other Christians....not Muslims.

>you told me about your grand father bodygard of agha petros. what is the name of your grand father, did he came in Toulouse with agha petros?


...my grandfather, Dr, Baba Parhad, fought alongside him and served as doctor to the group...it was my great-uncle, Babajan Malek, who was head of his bodyguards and went into exile in France with him.

>thanks for your answer cordialy


..we look forward to any evidence you uncover.....



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