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Re: My questions to the Assyrian Muslim
Posted by AssyrianMuslim (Guest) - Saturday, February 2 2008, 6:59:49 (CET)
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Jumblat wrote:
>Dear Assyrian Muslim:
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>I am positive, in the past did explained to you that we are Assyrians , and the Britons did give us our name and if you think that is wrong, then could you tell me who we are? Professor J.J. HALLUCINATIONS are merely to serve his ZIONIST MASTERS who open the way for him to attack and tarnish our Assyrian history and today the person who was defending Assyrianism , this ignorant PANCHO is believing this retarded professor.

Who we are? We are just like others in the region and that is descendants of the ancients Assyrians, Babylonians, Arameans, Chaldeans and the list goes on and on. None of the people back then were pure 100% of anything and neither is anyone today, and I think you agree that no one is pure 100% period. The issue is not what name we choose to call ourselves. I think we are all free to use whatever label we feel like and there is nothing wrong with calling yourself "Assyrian" or whatever else one wishes because it really majes no difference.


>My questions to you will be :
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>- How you call yourself ASSYRIAN (Muslim)if you don't believe there are Assyrians around?

I do believe there are Assyrians around but not the way that most of these guys today mean it. As for using a name or loving the ancients, there is nothing wrong with that. I am not denying that there are descendants of the ancient Assyrians and other Mesopotamians but there are pleanty and they come from all kinds of faiths. So whether I call myself "Assyrian" or "Mexican" is not really the issue here, but achieving certain agendas is the real deal.

>- Could you guide us what you need to know that we are Assyrians ?

I think you are aware of the answer to this question yourself. You pretty much admitted that it was the Brits who named us "Assyrians" but you insist that there was nothing wrong with this act and I find that interesting so let's take that for a moment. Why would the Brits need to name us if we were what we are? why weren't those Syriac Nestorians aware of their past, history and culture? Why is the knowledge and everything these guys today know derived from the works of western archeologists? Were they not able to keep alive at least some their history whether orally or in writings?

Nevertheless, let's agree that they always were truly direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians. This creates another problem. (A) If they were Assyrians all along and knew it, they must have lost interests in being Assyrians and they gave up on it. (B) Or they simply forgot everything and knew nothing about the ancients that others didn't know but that would be kind of strange wouldn't you agree? (C) They were never "direct descendants of the ancient Assyrians" as they like to call it today but they are exactly what many say they are and that is that they adopted this label recently to achieve certain agendas that weren't possible as being just "Christians" or "Nestorians".

On the one hand, if you have such hard time understanding how it is possible for someone to falsely name some one something, all you need to do is look at our Chaldean brothers whom you yourself agree that they received this name from the Catholic church while having no connections with the ancient Chaldeans. Therefore, the same thing could have been done to us with the British. It is well known today that these modern Assyrians were not using this name ever a 150 years ago nor did they know anything of the ancients and they never even had any desires for an "Assyria" or was there any "Assyrian pride" and "nationalism".

Either way we look at it there is a problem with the above points. However, calling ourselves "Assyrians" and or being descendants of the ancients is not the issue but to suddenly appear some 2600 years after the fall of Assyria and demand independance, direct descent and special treatment is absurd and that is the real problem here. No one is denying that there are descendants of the ancients around today. There are pleanty and they are in the millions all over Iraq. The people of Karbala, Najaf, Nairiya, Hila and other areas around ancient Babylonia still claim to be Babylonian. Now there is no problem with that, but it be another issue if they began to request or demand special treatment and independence based on making such claims. No one would take them serious, nor do we see them claiming the Babylonian label exclusively to themselves or require everyone to be Shiite in order to qualify.

So calling ourselves Assyrians is not a problem. Believing that we are their descendants is not a problem either but the silly demands which do not work in this world is the issue. Claiming a label in order to accomplish another agenda is a problem and that is the real issue here. This "Assyrianism" just began recently and it has been used to accomplish dirty agendas. It hasn't worked all along and no people or community have ever received special treatment, independence or get spoiled by claiming to be indegenous or or direct descendants of whatever.

I hope you understand my position and what I am trying to say here. Take care and I hope you don't feel offended nor see this as an attack against you or modern "Assyrian Nation". I am just being logical and looking at it honestly.



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