The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5


Posted by pancho (Guest) - Monday, June 25 2007, 19:56:36 (CEST)
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W Gabriel Dinkha wrote:
>Dear Pancho..
>Mar Benyamin Shimon was not killed because he was hated.. I think you should read about him first before you pass judgement..

...if he had ben truly martyred you would have rushed to tell how. The point still stands..if you`re going to post a poem calling someone a martyr, then it`s your obligation to explain how he came to be Christians throw the word martyr around as frequently as Muslim extremists do...if your Uncle Ben died screwing...would he be a martyr to sex?
>But once again.. I have taken time out of my busy schedule to educate you on word meanings..

...spare me...we are all busy.
>Meaning of Martyr - A person who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause: a martyr to the cause of social justice.

...nope. You left out the most important element...and that is "choice". Simply to be killed FOR you beliefs makes you a victim. The whole point is that you could have CHOSEN to renounce your beliefs...but chose death or suffering instead.
>Meaning of Martyred - To make a martyr of, especially to put to death for devotion to religious beliefs. again. The one distinctive factor about martyrdom is that the person was given time and the choice to recant or withdraw...if you rush into a roomfull of Democrats and kill them all because of their beliefs, you have not martyred them, you have murdered them..if, on the famous other hand, you rush in and tell them all to renounce their beliefs, or Jesus Christ, and they choose not to and THEN you kill them have indeed martyred them. The potential martyr has to be given the chance to is this which makes true martyrdom...and makes it venerated...the thing you describe is just murder.
>I hope this has helped.`s a subtle difference...but then in higher things it`s the subtlties that escape most people. So tell us...just how did this fellow die and what made him a martyr?
>W Gabriel Dinkha


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