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=> Re: That is bullshit

Re: That is bullshit
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Sunday, September 26 2010, 3:18:17 (UTC)
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Tiglath wrote:
>Firstly that was a metaphor I used to explain what I believe were the actions of the Turks. Farid states that if a Christian tried to kill a Turk first then the Turk is justified in protecting himself and killing him in self defense.
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>I however feel that a better example is if a Christian tried to kill a Turk and the Turk killed him and his family as well.

...this is mere anecdote...no doubtit happened but so what...again, Christians are RIGHT now killing Iraqi children...and just finished killing 700,000...and you STILL come around telling us that a Turk killed a man's family 90 years ago...Iīd swear you were trying to distract us.
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>Meanwhile I think we need to all acknowledge that there were faults on both sides. I've stated on numerous occassions that the Christians were guilty of massacre and rape such as at Consharay - Simko's village - after that gullible idiot Mar Shimun was killed.

no, no no! You cannot equate what people who are defending themselves do with what those who attack them do...it is not the same thing...you might as well castigate a woman for scratching out the eyes of her rapist by pointing out that he didnīt actually SUCCEED!

...Christians were killing innocent Muslims since the 17th century...the Turks didnt declare war on Russia...Russia declared war on them, again and again...and then came the Europeans, again with no provocation on the part of the Turks...hundreds of thousands of men, women and children were murdered in cold blood...and you have the gall to condemn Turks because they learned their lesson well from Christians.
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>You need to also remove your religious tinted glasses and acknowledge that the Turks were also guilty of deplorable behaviour.

..that is not the issue and never has been...weīve been all over that....yes, terrible things happend but war itself is a terrible thing and to wage it against people who never harmed you is even worse....warIS deplorable...so is rebellion...so are the actions taken against rebels...this has always existed in history...but that is NOT the issue...the issue is were the Turks guilty of genocide...and the honest answer is no.
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>And for Ashur's sake stop making thisa Christian vs Muslim contest. I keep stating that this is a empire and nation state transition that merely used religion as an excuse.

....as an excuse for what? And youstill have it wrong..it definitely WAS a matter of religion on the part of the Russians...they HATED Muslims and the Christian Turks who helped them and benefited by them certainly hated the people they killed...after all, they ONLY killed Muslim Turks, for CHRISTIAN Russians...what do you mean religion has no part of this? It DIDNīT have for the Turks, who did not hate Christians...who dfeneded and protected and allowed Christians to worship and succeed...no Christian Europoean nation did the same for Jews...or Muslims...of COURSE religion played a part...the Aremnians rebelled BECAUSE of their religious ties to the Euros...and the promioses that were made to them...you think the Euros would have helped them if they were MUSLIM...or BUDDHIST!
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>Rashad wrote:
>>The Turks did not kill entire family or at least had no intentions like that. My great grandfather was killed but his wife, kids were all left alive and unharmed. That is a typical christian lie and makes me sick. The Christian militias killed Muslim women but that's because women are great fighters. That is how our Agha Potros became a hero by killing MUslim peasants in Persia. To the real world such are cowards but to Christians and Assyrians it is a hero. Again, this shit comes from seyfo and Fred Aprim's mouth. The Turks didn't rape because they had honor. Sure, maybe a few individuals may have been dirty like that but then name me an entire group that is all perfect without any bad apples. I suppose all assyrians are perfect so every Turk must be too.



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