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Re: The Outsider
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Sunday, July 6 2008, 1:20:07 (CEST)
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arrow wrote:
>"there are numerous inconsistencies"
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>The are no conflicting messages.
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>"...well, Christians are taught that it's okay to accept the gift of eternal life...even though that gift would not be forthcoming UNLESS Christ, a totally innocent man if there ever was one, is brutally murdered. On earth, under the far more benevolent laws we have, any person accepting a watch, or eternal life, on the basis that FIRST a man has to be killed in order for the gift to be forthcoming..is an accessory to murder after the fact and therefore, since he benefits BY that murder, is as guilty as the one doing the killing..."
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>I quoted John 18 as an answer to this. Jesus doesn't expect his followers to gleefully watch him crucified so that they get to heaven.

..Jesus asked many things of his followers that they either don't do...never did, or modify to suit themselves.

...The fact remains: Not even you, withy all your love of Jesus would have spared him from execution...had the Romans refused to nail him to the cross and offered you the hammer and nails...you would have taken them and nailed him up there yourself..because the whole PREMISE and promise of Christ's gifts can ONLY come to you, his executioner, if Jesus is killed. For you NOT to have done it means you would have consigned yourself and your loved ones to eternal damnation...hell, if you prefer. I know damn well I wouldn't have turned murder just to get a gold watch or even Heaven...but you...?
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>"that plus hanging little gold miniatures of instruments of torture and murder, the cross, around the necks of little children...plus hanging a bleeding cadaver, as you'd find in any butcher shop, above the altar in a place of "worship"...while not all of these are crimes, they certainly come under the heading of inappropriate things to teach young children"
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>Indeed, there has been extensive research about this subject recently, and they're concluding that those miniatures do damage the children's phsychology. What then would you say about the Shia rituals?

...to me all religions hail from savage and barbaric days....I'm not about to regulate my life by what Hebrews or Nomads thought of personal hygiene, soap, washing, dental care or surgery...I'm sure as hell not going to take their lead on "morality".

...but the greatest harm of all comes from the Eucharist...from the insistence that it is REAL human flesh and REAL human blood that a child MUST partake of if he would join Christ...and even if, as the others say, it is merely "symbolic"...still, what kind of symbollism is that? Why choose a lurid crime, condemned throughout the ages, as a symbol of a religion? Especially one of "Love"?



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