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Re: for what? being attacked by Christian nations???
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Sunday, May 5 2013, 17:07:52 (UTC)
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nestorien wrote:
>Pancho,
>your opinion shows that you admit massacres and murders occured both by christians and muslims. I agree completely on that point.
>The word "genocide" was first used for what did nazis against jews and tzigans. but we have to keep in mind that racism against jews did not began with nazis but existed from hundred and hundred years.

...yes, of course...that was normal for those Christians...but nowhere in history, old or new, do Muslims stand accused of such things...it is true that when their Christian subjects rebelled they dealt harshly with them...but that was because of what they had done, not just for what they were...let's not forget that Assyrian kings treated rebels the same way...but genocide? That is strictly a Christian thing.

>The sense of the word genocide from its begining to now, has considerabily changed. Today many differents massacres are called genocide: genocide in rwanda, genocide in tchetchenia, genocide in yougoslavia, cambodgian genocide, and others i forgot, we also speak about cultural genocide.

...but unless the apparatus of the State is involved, with the same determined and systematized and organized effort to round up all mebers of a group to wipe out the group, it isn't genocide...that word has a special meaning and it should stay that way, otherwise we'll have to invent a new one to differtiate between the two, different acts....just like now we need a new word for "Hero", since its meaning has been completely done away with by the Americans.

>there is a common expression saying: "each word has the sense or the meaning that we are willing to give it". may be.....


...I agree, like "Hero"...the Americans now want it to mean any soldier of theirs who goes up against poor peasants, with his bristling array of super-weapons and computers against their improvised firecrackers, and also kills children...this is the new "hero". They are also trying to change the meaning of "genocide" to mean any Christian killed by a Muslim...and to fit the tragedy that resulted in Turkey when THEY declared war against that nation.

>what i wanted to say posting that site, is that if that woman, who seems to be a turk citizen, apologize and recognize all that it is because theses facts occured really and we cannot doubt about.

...I suspect she's a Christian, who may be a Turk, or not...and who even may have converted to Christianity...they do these sorts of things on the internet all the time.

In the same time, christians can also apologize for muslims massacres and murders. the question is : are thoses monsters acting like monsters, christians or muslims? or are they acting under the name of christians and muslims.....

...it seems to me that Muslims really do obey their religion, while Christians don't...as Christian NATIONS, with the full backing of their churches, Christian nations have brought the word two WORLD wars in which over 90 millions people were killed, most of them Christians BY Christians...not to mention all the other wars around the world against weaker people simply yearning to be free from occupation...when have Muslims done that?

..it is Christian nations that produce the vast majority of weapons and sell them to everyone...what Muslim nation has built an aircraft carrier...or jet fighters....or submarines....or machine guns and mines and grenades and canon and howitzers and chemical weapons and biological weapons...or even atomic weapons....who has built and SOLD these things for the last 100 years? Christians, or Muslims?

..it also seems that Christians are really bad at follwoing their religion..and maybe Muslims are too...for as much as we say that Islam forces "jihad" and war, against Christians, onto them...we see no evidence of that. Muslims, a very small number, are fighting Christian nations because they attacked THEM first...for decades now...what is Israel but a European colony? Had the United States not BEHAVED the way it did, by using Israelis to gain power and wealth, no "jihadist" would ever have appeared...it is Christian nations who've been stealing from, disrespecting and stealing from Muslim nations...all Muslims have finally done is barely and weakly fight back.

...did the United States declare war against Japan in 1941 because of Jesus...or because it was ATTACKED? Islam had 1400 years to "destroy" Christianity and could easily have done it...why didn't they? Christianity had been safe in all those years UNTIL the West came meddling and luring away the local Christians to be their "allies"...and look what it has led to.

>today we can hear very often about terrorism human bomb killing innocent people.

...all "terrorism" is, is the fear Christians feel when Muslims fight BACK...and since they haven't spent centuries building up armies and arsenals, they do it as best they can. David was a "terror" to Goliath.

>when i speak to my muslims friends about for example mohammed Merah, or any other terrorist they answer to me that thoses people are not muslims.

...why can't they be? Christianity tells you to turn your cheek...Muhammad never said that...he said to be just, to be righteous, BUT, if attacked then god wants you to foght back to defend yourself...if Muslims had actual and real weapons today, they would not use vioilence agasinst civilians...besides I'm not at all convinced the "suicide bombers" and such aren't really agents of the West....Christian nations wanted war, not peace or prosperity, in that region.

what i want to say is that each religions is respectable and our god is the same.

...I don't believe in any of it or any of them...but just to make the case, the Christian god is NOT like the rest...only he murders his own son, as a human "sacrifice"..and only he insists that you drink his blood and eat his flesh, as a way of cleaning up YOUR sins,...this is very IMMORAL...I would never teach my children that someone else can be forced to suffer for them...how are they to learn personal responsibility...and only Christianity places a cadaver above its altars, where children kneel to pray, with painted blood and exposed organs..and only Christyians wear miniature gold instruments of torture and execution round their necks,. and put them round their children's necks...this is sick in the extremem...maybe that explaisn why Christianity is the bloodiest religion the world has even known...just count the dead killed by Christians...compared to those killed by Judiasm or Islam.

>but god did not tell us to kill and massacre; one of the ten commandements is :YOU WILL NOT KILL. and Mahomet did not say to his people to be human bombs.
>all thoses people use the name of the religion to achieve their own aim to kill.

...Christianity teaches human sacrifice and revels in the "blood" of the lamb, and washing in it...other religions don't.

>i remember one man saying " when you have killed once you will never stop it is like drug"

...as Christians prove...name for us a single war, fought far from its own shores, against weaker people, that Islam has conducted in the last 200 years...just one.

>as a conclusion my opinion is that woman apologize can be one step more to achieve and restore one day friendly relationships between christians and muslims in middle east countries. at least i hope that

..that woman is a fraud. There is nothing to apologize for...except for the war against Turkey which Christian nations brought to her, to steal the same oil they are still stealing...the tragedy that occured in Turkey, to Christians AND Muslims, can be laid directly at the feet of those Christian nations, for such things were never done to Christians there before...while the Christians of Europe were NEVER attacked by any Jewish "nation" or even people...all Jews were loyal citizens of their Christian nations, and this is hjow they treated them...you are trying desperately to say< "we are all guilty"...but it isn't true...we are not ALL guilty...but Christian nations are.
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>cordially yours

,,,,and yours



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