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Re: okay Arrow
Posted by Marcello (Guest) - Thursday, November 10 2011, 21:24:35 (UTC)
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Hi Arrow, I think you may be partly wrong in stating that "The US tortures for security reasons and, unlike Saddam, it does not torture and kill is OWN citizens."

Quite recently, the US assassinated three American-born citizens, one of whom was an under-age 16-year old boy.

The three males were not arrested nor were they allowed their constitutional right to Due-Process to contest the allegations waged against them in a court of law.

Al-Awlaki's fiery rhetoric in inspiring terrorist attacks against other US citizens was never legally challenged in the proper arena of US courts.

Is not extrajudicial executions of US citizens for reasons of anti-American rhetoric not an extreme, unlawful act of quelling dissent or muting an Amrican-born citizen's constitutional right to Freedom of Speech?

I like to share what Constitutional Attorney, Glen Grinwald, has to say about these measures that were introduced during Rebuplican Bush, and are now enforced by Democrat Obama with extreme prejudice:

"Well, first of all, look at the controversies that Democrats and progressives were so vocal about during the Bush years. They objected vehemently over the Bush administration’s wiretapping of American citizens without any court warrants or judicial oversight. They objected when the Bush administration put, not American citizens, but foreign nationals into cages at Guantánamo, merely on the say-so of the President that these people were terrorists.


Here, you’re talking about the worst elements of those policies, but even more extreme. You’re talking about American citizens not being merely wiretapped by the President with no oversight, but murdered, assassinated, killed, based solely on the unchecked say-so of the President.


And I think what really has to be emphasized is, look at how many times over the past decade that the administration — both first the Bush administration, then the Obama administration — has accused people of being terrorists, the worst of the worst, and it turned out that they were completely wrong. Hundreds of people who were at Guantánamo ended up being released because there was no evidence of wrongdoing print. Ever since the Supreme Court in 2008 granted habeas corpus rights to detainees, thirty-three out of thirty-nine Guantánamo detainees who brought their cases before a court were ordered released by federal judges on the grounds that there was no evidence to justify the accusations against them.


So there are few things more dangerous than allowing the executive branch to label people terrorists and treat them accordingly, and that danger is compounded severely when you’re talking about American citizens who have constitutional rights and talking about not merely eavesdropping on them or imprisoning them, but actually murdering them."


Do you really wish for an environment where your constitutional right to Free Speech as a citizen of a democracy may be unlawfully and exrtremely curtailed, and your words construed as means for your unconstitutional murder? Without any legal possibilities to challenge allegations leveled against you? I think you're much too open-minded, and hopefully free-spirited, to want to live in a repressive and regressive atmosphere of that nature.



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