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=> Why Are You People So Predicatble?

Why Are You People So Predicatble?
Posted by assyrian atheist (Guest) - Thursday, September 17 2009, 20:05:10 (CEST)
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rico suave wrote:
>Do you really believe your own propaganda?

...I brought you respected authors and historians, I posted their words, not my own prejudice.
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>So all the talk about Christians being kuffar,

...Christians forced Muslims and Jews to wear distinct clothing too, also placed them in ghettos and exiled them after confiscating their property...also treated them as worthy of death and persecution, also treated other Christians as second and third-class citizens of their own countries....this is nothing new or exclusively suffered by Christians...let us remind you that Dr. Donny George, one of us, was the director for all antiquities in Iraq..also that Tariq Aziz, another Christian, was foreign minister...my own father reached the rank of major in the Iraq army and worked as a doctor...and many other Christians did well and lived good lives...all of this was ruined, not by Islam, but by European and American, mostly missionary, interference, that is before this most recent jihad against the people of Iraq...by CHRISTIAN nations.....


the bombing of their churches,

...how many mosques and hospitals and schools have been bombed? If the United States feels justified in attacking Iraq, a country from which not ONE person participated in the events of 9/11, but nevertheless has waged a war of retaliation based on lies...do you think it's wrong for Muslims to be pissed at such Christian nations? Why do you never look to the enormous crimes Christianity has visited on people but only fault them for daring to strike back, or defend themselves?

the orders that they pay jizya or be killed (really,

...once again, you bring us Church propaganda...the jizya tax was not levied against widows, orphans or the poor but only against men of fighting age, who thereby missed out on wars and stayed with their families instead, something many drafted soldiers would love to be able to do...it was a most reasonable tax and Christian bishops levied far worse ones..so bad that Christians from Slavic countries escaped in the night, with their families and possessions into the Ottoman lands to escape their rapacious taxes, finding life under Islam far preferable.,,,why can none of you bring us PROOF for these claims? Why can none of you find any legitimate historians who back your claims...why? Why are you forced to rely on Aprims and Jassims?

..I asked you to bring us EVIDENCE...evidence like we have posted here from real sources, from authors and historians, many of whom have won Pulitzer and other prizes..who are graduates of the most prestigious universities in the world and who have legitimate publishers...why do you all discount what these people say in favor of the same old statements that are backed by nothing more than your grandmother or priest...bring us REAL evidence.


what century are we in? Jizya is discriminatory barbarism

...that is your opinion, based on nothing more than your own prejudice..it is not what any of several historians have said about it..it was a tax, nothing more, fairly applied which exempted Christian males from military service....every nation had taxes...so what else is new?

--if Christians were considered equal by your radical Muslim brothers, they would not be threatened with death and kidnapping for not paying Jizya.

....they were not considered equal by any means...they were "protected people" allowed to keep their own faith. And they were never forced to convert, as people were forced into Christianity. The choice was never "convert or die"...it was "convert, pay a tax, or die". It seems to me a tax, applied fairly, was a small price to pay for keeping your faith and being protected. Besides which no one pays a jizya tax any longer. Get out of the Middle Ages.
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>You and your likes won't be happy until the last Iraqi Christian is gone from the country, and then you'll wonder where they went.

...Personally I think it would be best for them to get out...as you did. You want them to stay, no matter what dangers they face, because you want someone to "make a presence" there...but you'd never go yourself. Christians are suffering now because Christian nations have waged a 17-year war against the country...if Germany attacked the United States and murdered American children you think Americans wouldn't be pissed at German-Americans...? Before this war Christians lived in peace in Iraq...sure there was hostility at certain levels, mostly on the lower rungs of the ladder, but so what? The Italians, Irish and Catholics all suffered discrimination in democratic America...and look what African-Americans endured...look also at what Catholics did to Protestant and vice versa...are you trying to tell us that what Christians suffered in Iraq comes anywhere near to that? if so, bring us EVIDENCE and not just your word for it.
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>Islam was not born in blood? What Islam are you talking about? Islam's own prophet ordered killing in order to spread the religion!

...Muhammad was a MAN, not a God. When Moses, another man, came down from the mountain with his tablets he found his own people worshiping a calf again...he ordered Joshua to kill 3000 of them...men do these kinds of things. Muhammad had a good message for the Arabs but he was faced with hostility from the outset...and he fought back...a very sensible idea...your Jesus was supposedly a God, we don;t expect him to fight, even though others expected it of him...but when his religion was picked up by the Romans, my GOD they made up for lost time and went on a killing rampage that has never stopped.


Christianity is no better, but really, check yourself, because you're another victim of brainwashing by organized religion. You are an ABSURD person. Yes, a propagandist.

...I have provided you with ample evidence for any claims I've made...various historians and authors have stated these things...is everyone who disagrees with your vision prejudiced?...I merely bring them and post them for people to consider. I do not make this stuff up...which I think you do because you offer no proof...no citations, no quotes and no sources...except for what your priests told you...or what you get from "books" published for profit by taxi drivers and engineers. Also, I might add, these historians are all Christians, who you would think would want to do as you do, defend their religion...but they are SCHOLARS, not propagandists, who seek the truth, as best as it can be determined...I asked you for ONE example, from real history, and all you did was give me your own prejudice and them claim I was as prejudiced as you....but I brought evidence and proof to the discussion...you still have not.

Try again....we can wait. We've waited on Bet-Shlimon for three years...we can wait for you.
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>Asssssalam 3alaykum.
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>lol.

...it's okay to laugh...it's great...but besides laughing a lot you should bring us some quotes and citations, from real sources, to back you up...otherwise YOU are merely providing church propaganda.....



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