The Inside Assyria Discussion Forum #5

=> sam harris and cenk ugyr

sam harris and cenk ugyr
Posted by pancho (Moderator) - Wednesday, February 18 2015, 15:11:37 (UTC)
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...they had an almost three hour discussion and Cenk gave way too easily. I don't know if he felt he had to be polite to a guest but Jesus Christ his "guest" is spilling all sorts of racist and bigoted and just plain ignorant comments about a very important topic....if you have a KKK guest do you really have to be "polite"?

To his credit Cenk at least raised some interesting points but he didn't drive them home...Harris was clearly not in his comfort zone and I suppose if Cenk had driven him hard, as hard as Harris drives his points against Muslims, he might never have had Harris back on his show, but fuck it, we don't want entertainment, we need someone to take these bastards to the woodshed and tan their hides...never mind if they don't come back...come back for what?

As to the "point" that if only a small number of Muslims are violent..."let's say only 5%...that's still 60 MILLION PEOPLE"! People repeat this like it means anything...if there are 60 million Muslim terrorists out there....WHERE ARE THEY? That's another bit of bullshit.

The Muslims who are fighting back aren't doing it because of Islam...just as the Americans who attacked Iraq weren't doing it because of Jesus...but each might well use religion as a cover...and both did and both are....this is somehow shocking?

And they are fighting back...before 1948, before the illegal creation of an Israel, as a dumping ground for the Jews Christians hadn't managed to kill, where were there any attacks by all those violent Muslims, against the West? Why doesn't someone ask Harris that? Aside from the first centuries of Arab conquests, a time when Christians were conquering all they could...and aside from the Turk assaults on Europe, in grateful appreciation for when the Christians attacked Islam during 150 years of Crusades...when have Muslims come gunning for the West...when have they "followed their religion" and engaged in suicide anything? If anything n they took and took and took and tolerated way beyond the point any Christian would have, until they could stand no more because our attacks against THEM had become just too blatant and unrelenting...then, finally, some of them (no 60 million) began to push back...and WE yell "foul"?

And how does Harris get away with saying that Christianity is more benign than Islam by pointing out the Beatitudes of Christ as proof? What do theoretical protestations of "gentle meek and mild" have to do with what Christians ACTUALLY have done? Who is he trying to fool? We're supposed to focus on what it says in the pamphlet and not on what Christians DO?

Apparently both Islam and Christianity are useless as moral guides...Muslims do NOT follow the supposed injunctions of Muhammad to wage WAR...and neither do Christians listen to Jesus. But at least one of the two can't be accused of the Holocaust or two world wars and so many warlettes and so many military bases around the world and so many weapons and atomic bombs used against civilians....ok, Christianity si a GREAT religion but Christians don't pay any attention to it....and, also ok, Islam is a BAD religion which Muslims also don't pay any attention to...because Muslims have NOT gone to war as Christians have...not ever.



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